Squeezing in Nurturing Instinct

Been curious to hear Chrille's take on how to fit NI into the standard Feral spec. I am about to hit 70 and my gear is not ready to ditch thick hide just yet, so I cant decide whether to sink the remaining 4 points into Primal Tenacity, Predatory Instincts, or SotF. With the upcoming change to Scare Beast, Tenacity sounds like a solid choice, but I hear it very rarely works. Any help would be great.

Great job on the forums Chrille!!

Well, that depends on which dungeons you are planning to play as tank. i.e. for 25man raids as MT or OT you will need to be armor capped for sure, with no less than 36% dodge unbuffed and over 15k hp for starters. That is doable with tier 4 gear from karazhan, Gruul and heroic badge rewards. If you only planning to tank in heroic 5man dungeons, then you can do it with less armor, (I for example didn't have any problem with 25k armor and 30% dodge, when i started heroic farming).
So to your question, if you are close to 25-28k armor without thick hide, then go for it, if not, try to adapt to beastcoil (if it hits live) till you are ready to bypass thick hide. But don't think that 15% chance to resist will save you all the time, it's more like once per 5 fears, so we are gonna have to deal once again with it.

P.S. I am not even remotely close as good/skilled as Chrille or Azgaz or Kerberus, but regardless that, i think they will agree with me.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxhGsfrReuioVxoz
this should do it
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Shouldnt this topic go into PVE - Feral?

Where does it say anything about pve? I don't plan to do any tanking. When we run instances i always end up healing as resto which is rare anyway. I should have clarified that it was for pvp, tho i thought posting in the pvp section would have covered that lol

I ran with max tenacity and saw very little change, so i instead maxed out pred instincts and placed the final point in sotf. Thanks anyways tho

Sry about the PVE thing :p i was reading the other post from Aldaron, sry =)

np

mooyagi wrote:

Where does it say anything about pve?

Sorry, i ve been confused then, but thick hide is a pve talent, and it's usefulness starts to pay off, when you are using tanking gear..so unless you are planning to pvp as tank, don't pick it at all. My answer was towards a spec that is useful both for pvp and pve.

As for Gloria's talent tree, you should consider, nature grasp and brutal impact, both very useful (must to have imho) pvp talents instead of thick hide.
Also if you base mana pool is low (at start) you should consider 3/3 natural shapeshifter. You can take 2 points from survival of the fitest and use them on Nat. Shap.

This is how I squeezed in Nurturing Instincts, I mostly agree with Aldaron: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zZxGMsfrRgdioVxhz

i kept full points in primal tenacity, and dropped 2 in survival of the fittest.

I was also wondering about this and how it turned out.

2% crit is a lot and so is 5% stun...

Im still up in arms about this. Might try kerb's spec.

It's 2% less melee crits, so it isn't big deal since we fight melee in bear, because we mitigate crits. Stun&Fear Resist is alot better (see priest+rogue, warrior mace stuns)

Ok here my take on this. My spec is the same as Kerbs only thing i did diff is instead that Surivial of the Fittest Point gone i took it ou tof improved Leader cause if i do 2s with priest and 3s witha healer and well i dont do 5s but yeah. the healing is amazing but not needed. Or u could even use that point to go back into stun and fear resist. Although if u play witha rogue or mage in 2s i would stick to the Imp Leader of the pack.