Sigh, i knew it would be happening eventually. But the only thing i even see relatively good is the Fact that rip and lacerate can periodically crit. But I 2's with a rogue so its about zerging one target and quick CC. So thats not really effective to me. But Primal Tenacity Only will only work in cat. One thing to Clear up though is Maim going to be a Stun or an incapasitate, I hope its not a stun beacuse we are totally going to get screwed against Mages.